Time Trials- Sunday April 13th @ 12:00

[NoName2]

(Note that date and time has change from Saturday to Sunday at 2:00 not 12:00 because of the Trek Demo on Saturday)

Here we go... It's just about time for the "Time Trials" on Sunday the 13th. The trials are simply timing each rider to see how quickly they can ride the main loop. We'll have the fastest guys start so they don't run in to the slow guys and run each rider will go 1 or 2 minutes apart with a spotter timing each of the riders.

For those of us that aren't so fast no worries. There will be a Pro class (under fifty minutes), a Sport class (between fifty minutes and an hour), and an Intermediate class (over an hour). Afterwards we'll have some tasty beverages (byob) and a get together. The winners will get swag and bragging rights. Even if you know you're riding abilities are on the slow side right now this is a great way to see where you stand so you can push yourself to improve.

If you or someone you know would be willing to help volunteer please let me know as I can use two more folks to help check in and time riders for the event.

[Pilotman28]

bah, I can't go because of church but I have a computer coming in the mail soon so I'll post my first run when I finish it and enter it in the contest :-D I'd probably be inbetween sport and intermediate.

What day were we gonna do JUST the chute?

[gregt9000]

is there a time bonus if you vomit at the end?

[NoName2]

depending on the size and velocity you will be able win a bib. :)

[aaronsfoote]

what time on that sunday are yall starting the timetrials??

[superdave]

what time on that sunday are yall starting the timetrials??

noon o'clock

[aaronsfoote]

ill see what time i can get there. im slow so ill go last

[gregt9000]

Hey Paul, what exactly is the main loop?

[WILDBILL]

In my opinion ( if it counts for anything) the time trial should start later like 1:00 or 1:30. I believe more people will show if its a later. There is a group that already rides at two so i am sure they could make it slightly earlier for a 1 start time. also some people attend church services and it would be tough for them to make a 12 start time and some people eat lunch on sundays with family so they could make the 1 or 130 start time better. anyways,just my two cents.

-Billy

[ScottR]

There was a good turn out when the Turkey Run was at 2:00.

[NoName2]

you darn church folks! :D it probably due me good to start going again.

if it's ok with all lets change the time to 2:00. it's a good point that some may not be able to make it out by 12:00. i'll change it on the calendar.

[ScottR]

I'm closer to God when I'm alone out in the woods!!!! I'm working midnights so 2:00pm gives me two more hours of sleep. (selfish I know)

[NoName2]

Hey Paul, what exactly is the main loop?

Main Loop:
Pate, Trehugger, Greenbrier, Chute, Wantz Way, Valley, Coke Can, Four Dogs, Gorge, Bone, Cambodia, Carl's Trail.

I'm sure there are a ton of different ways, backwards, forwards, add Bayou, add Crists Falls but for the sake of keeping it the same for all let's go with the trails above as the main loop.

[NoName2]

I'm closer to God when I'm alone out in the woods!!!! I'm working midnights so 2:00pm gives me two more hours of sleep. (selfish I know)

judging by your avatar pic i can see why you would need the extra sleep. :) that's a classic pic!

[Pilotman28]

I JUST recently finished that completely for the very first time ever and I made it in about an hour. Four dogs and having to climb back out gravel road added more on my time than I thought.

[nrsed]

going long is the first step to speed my young padawan. go two laps min.

[Joe]

Will Mark's zipper and Dave/Ed's reroute be part of the main loop now?

[NoName2]

no required but can be optional. may thow your time off a bit though.

[natepac]

The cambodia cut off should definetly be considered the part of the main loop. I also vote for the "other" valley way, they just dont have to ride the walls, they can just go straight down the middle if they want, plus there is that good little climb at the end.

Broke the 1hr barrier today for the 1st time on the main loop.did it in 58.20

[Loggahead]

Sweet. I am looking forward to this. What is the total distance? I ordered a Cateye micro wireless computer that I am waiting for in the mail and was wondering how long the main loop is. Im thinking I will probably be fitting into the 1hour+ range.

[NoName2]

It's approximately 27.5 miles. You should be able to knock it out in an hour pretty easy.

[Loggahead]

It's approximately 27.5 miles. You should be able to knock it out in an hour pretty easy.

Whoa! 27.5 miles! I had no clue it was that long! I was thinking it was more along the lines of 12-15 miles.

I can't make the ride tomorrow evening. I have to work late installing a new network at our Milton office. I think I'm going to go out this afternoon though and do the main loop to get a ball park of where I stand. I get off work at 4:00 so will shoot for a 5pm or a little earlier ride.

[superdave]

Whoa! 27.5 miles! I had no clue it was that long! I was thinking it was more along the lines of 12-15 miles.

I can't make the ride tomorrow evening. I have to work late installing a new network at our Milton office. I think I'm going to go out this afternoon though and do the main loop to get a ball park of where I stand. I get off work at 4:00 so will shoot for a 5pm or a little earlier ride.

Paul is pulling your leg a little. The loop, as described earlier, is a little more than 9 miles.

[Loggahead]

Paul is pulling your leg a little. The loop, as described earlier, is a little more than 9 miles.

Hah! That's more like it!

I guess its still on for 12:00pm? I just found out I have to be somewhere 2:30ish on Sunday... hoping we're still doing the noon run.

[NoName2]

27.5 miles in an hour would be pretty damn fast though.

can u push back your 2:30 or make it earlier that day? the time trials got moved to 2:00 because a # of folks could not make the original 12:00 time.

[Loggahead]

27.5 miles in an hour would be pretty damn fast though.

can u push back your 2:30 or make it earlier that day? the time trials got moved to 2:00 because a # of folks could not make the original 12:00 time.

I can make it earlier, but I unfortunately can't push back my 2:30 deal. I was going to bring the idea up of possibly having two qualifying runs. An earlier time for some and a later for others. That would be grand though I know it will take more of an administrative effort.

How earlier were you thinking? If I can't make this one, I'll have to make the next run, no worries.

-logga

[NoName2]

we will be out there earlier that day getting things set up. we'll also most likely ride on saturday after going to the trek demo. not sure of the time yet though.

[Loggahead]

Sweet. Just keep me posted on a time I could get an early qualify in so my name could at least be on the books ;) I could probably make just about any time on Sat afternoon or Sun morning.

I went out this afternoon and timed myself on the main loop at 54.38. I guess that's pretty decent! Ran into Ed afterwards and he confirmed that I hit the right trails. Rock on!

-logga

[NoName2]

good job on the time. 59.30 is my best so far cuz i ride like a granny. that was the 27.5 mile loop though. :)

[ScottR]

I was thinking It may be better to have the slower guys start first. I dont think there will be a issue with passing and it would be nice for everyone to finish closer together. As it stands now I would be starting somewhere around dead last and probably never see another rider. Guys like Carl would be home napping by the time I finished. Its also fun to try and keep up for a little while and watch the lines the semi-pro's take. Food for thought

[Pilotman28]

Yeah cause it'd cause the guys in front to go faster if they were given like a few minutes head start and the guys in the rear would be pushing it to pass the slower ones.

[WILDBILL]

Either way would be fine with me. I wont be able to be there till 3 but plan on getting in a late run. hope alot of guys show, should be fun.

-Billy

[superdave]

Yeah cause it'd cause the guys in front to go faster if they were given like a few minutes head start and the guys in the rear would be pushing it to pass the slower ones.

Someone is going to get a slower time in the pass though. I'd be fine with the slower guys going first, but we'll have to make a rule that if someone is on your back tire, you have to let them by as quickly as possible. Something else that would help remedy this is to start 2 or 3 minutes apart instead of just 1. Of course it will depend on how many people enter, but the longer delay between start times shouldn't drag out the event too much. 25 guys starting 3 minutes apart = 1 hr 15 minutes + about 50 minute lap = about a 2hr event assuming no one has a mechanical problem. If we have 50 people, the 3 minutes could be a bit much but that would be a great problem to have.

[Joe]

I was thinking It may be better to have the slower guys start first.

I completely disagree. This is not a race. This is a time trial. Every seconds are crucial. You know what I mean Ed? ;) I rather do time trials on my own when no one's around and race when everyone's around.

my typical times are 46-49 mins. with avg of 10.6-11.6 mph. fastest at 44:06 mins avg 12.0 mph.

[NoName2]

let's keep it how we have it. my original thoughts were to have the slow guys go first so everyone could arrive around the same time but even if we have 15 riders the slow guys will get in the way of the fast guys trying to beat their best times.

here's the math: if we have 15 riders and the last guy goes 15 minutes (1 minute per rider) after the fastest guy he will probably show up to the finish about 30 minutes after the first guy.

that ain't bad. hopefully people will stick around to socialize for at least an hour or so afterwards. i just want to make sure that the fast guys don't have to pass 15 other guys to finish. that wouldn't be fair to them.

[natepac]

depneding on who shows up, 2-3min apart would be better. i think with 1min intervals there will be a good bit of congestion on the trail.

unable to break the 1hr mark yesterday. 1hr 1min. Would have been faster but i had to wait for joe/ed/dave/dustin to rest at the end of each trail and they slowed me down.:)

[natepac]

depneding on who shows up, 2-3min apart would be better. i think with 1min intervals there will be a good bit of congestion on the trail.


Example: joes times avg 12min faster than mine. if he only starts 10min behind me he will eventually have to slow down to pass me near the end.
I'm sure ed/dave etc. times will be about the same, thus they will end up passing the slower guys.

How bout when we arrive, we see who shows, get their best time and arrange it from there. shouldnt take long to figure it out especially if bobby fisher is there.

[NoName2]

sounds like a plan. let's keep the fast guys going first but determine the time frame between when each riders goes depending on how many riders we have. the fewer riders we have the more the time we can spread it out.

[natepac]

depending on how my knee feels this weekend,i may volunteer to be the "official" time keeper. just chill at the start with some EtOH, lawnchair, stopwatch and my mut.

Does anyone have a stopwatch to lend for the "official" timer?

[gtkillerv]

sounds like a plan. let's keep the fast guys going first but determine the time frame between when each riders goes depending on how many riders we have. the fewer riders we have the more the time we can spread it out.


What if you don't know what your time is?

As far as the slower guys holding up the faster guys? The passer can just call the trail before they are on the rear wheel of the passie. It's what you do in an actual race. It will give the slower rider a chance to safely move to one side before he/she feels pressured to ditch it in the woods to let someone by.

I agree with letting the slower riders start first. It will have everyone finishing closer together, and who doesn't like having a rabbit to chase.

I volunteer to start first.

Keith

[nrsed]

faster guys go first!! Passing people on the trail is a bad option for everybody. If you have to bail off the trail for a faster guy and then get started again it will kill your time. It's called singletrack for a reason. Joe tried to pass me on cambodia and he ended up on his head and I was stuck in the trees; and he has passed a lot of people.

if you want to follow a faster guys wheel do it on a group ride. We have been doing "mountain pace line" on some of the rides where the leader rotates to the end after each section. Patent pending for Dustin. It's fun.

ED

[ScottR]

If you guys keep talking about your 40 minute times I'm staying home:eek:

Sorry to paul for bring it up. The only knowledge of bike racing I have is watching The Tour's on OLN. I always remember the the fastest guy going last and it was exciting to see them catch the rider in front. Its seems the guys who race alot all want to keep it with the fastest first; and they have alot more knowledge on the subject than I. Mabey I'll pass a couple of joggers. I may even swear at them when I go by.:D

[NoName2]

i'm guessing for the entire group the average time will be around an hour. only a few of the fastest guys will knock it out in under 50 minutes.

[Endo]

in a group start race passing is all part of it...but like joe said this is a time trial which is a different animal where passing should not be a factor...think of it in NASCAR terms: qualifying vs. the actual race.....a time trail is more like qualifying.

[Idoeyes]

I'm # 8!!!!!!!!!:D

[Endo]

Hmm...Never took you for a Mark Martin fan...
http://i.cdn.turner.com/nascar/.e1d/img/2.0/sect/drivers/cup/mmartin00/bg.jpg

[ScottR]

Im not sure I can be in a club with all these nascar fans. My I.Q. just lowered from looking at the last two post:D.

[natepac]

Im not sure I can be in a club with all these nascar fans. My I.Q. just lowered from looking at the last two post:D.

hahaha.
Git R Done

[Idoeyes]

Idn't he the Viagra car dude. I thought I was gonna be Dale Jr???????:mad:

[Pilotman28]

Ah that's why Dustin wants that car. To get free Viagra. LOL. Well with the faster guys going first we'll be able to space the riders out with less of a gap. I'm thinking 1 minute per person would be ok right?

[Endo]

i would think 1 min would work.

BTW, Jr. is 88 now. not sure what happend to the original 88 guy. Mark Martin was the viagra dude, but no longer...which is why he looks so pissed in the photo. I think Dick Trickle is now sponsored by Viagra :O

[Idoeyes]

Dick Tricle sponsored by Viagra!?!?!?!:eek:

You can't make up stuff that funny! He could probably get a ride with Flomax or one of those new Anti-pissmypants drugs that people need now for some reason OR Depends Undergarments.

So I guess I want to be 88 now instead of 8:o

[NoName2]

Forgot to mention. Please try and show about about 20 minutes early if possible so we can get things rolling as close to 2:00 as possible. If you show up late no problem it will just be easier to coordinate if we can have the majority of riders lined up on time.

Thanks!

[aaronsfoote]

i will not be able to make it sunday. i went out this morning and timed myself at 1 hour and 8 minutes. i was surprised at my time and proud. i only stopped once and that was to pick up a 5 and a half foot snake skin laying accross the trail. i was able to get it out of the trail and keep it as a suvineer

[ScottR]

I went all out yesturday and finished in 1:02. I was at a 9.5 mph average until gorge and bone, then I slipped down to an 8.5 mph average and couldn't recover. I hate those two trails:mad: I'm thinking of bringing a oxygen tank for the trials

[nrsed]

oxygen tank?? I think you don't watch enough bike racing. Head to the evidence room for a cocktail of help. Apparently all the pros do.

except __________________ (add your favorite bide racer here) of course.

[NoName2]

i will not be able to make it sunday. i went out this morning and timed myself at 1 hour and 8 minutes. i was surprised at my time and proud. i only stopped once and that was to pick up a 5 and a half foot snake skin laying accross the trail. i was able to get it out of the trail and keep it as a suvineer

good job! hopefully this will be a good mark so that you can work for the one hour mark. congrats on your time.

[NoName2]

For those of you who are able to make it out tomorrow try and stick around after-wards and socialize with the group. If you have some chairs and beverages bring them.

[WILDBILL]

I wont be able to make it there till 3:00, should be ok if i get my run in then right?

-Billy

[NoName2]

trying to give everyone a head start? you'll still probably beat everyone back to the finish. :)

no problem. we'll see ya at 3:00.

[NoName2]

Had fun today. Thanks to everyone for the great turn out. In total we had about 30 riders run the loop. Check back for a post on all of the time results.

[Idoeyes]

A big thank you to all who helped pull this off! Good fun and NICE participation.

When is the next one?!?

[gtkillerv]

A big thank you to all who helped pull this off! Good fun and NICE participation.

When is the next one?!?

Thanks to all that helped put this on. It was a lot of fun. I don't think I have never ridden UWF that hard before, and trust me, I don't need to be ridding it that hard. The harder I push the faster all those turns and technical sections come at me and we just don't seem to get along too well.

Again, thanks for the fun, and it was interesting meeting some of the faces that belong to the screen names.

Keith

[Pilotman28]

I know what you mean dude. I almost clipped several trees when I was leaning into turns. I found myself more focused though on my cadence than normal which gave me energy through the entire run instead of running out of gas after the chute.

I also learned to conserve my energy on the downhill-ish parts by going up into my third chainring which kept my speed up while not making me work too hard. It was a good learning experience for myself. I'm gonna continue to get better so I can get below the hour mark.