Bike shop flyers... [Archive]

NoName2

04-21-2008, 03:56 PM

Please help. If you have some graphic skills and a little bit of time would you mind helping me make up a PORC flier that I can put in local bike shops? I have a good idea what info to put on them and can run them to the shops I'm just not talented at creating something that will look professional.

Endo

04-21-2008, 08:25 PM

I can help with this if need-be.

NoName2

04-21-2008, 10:22 PM

that would be great. i'll pm you some ideas i had in the morning.

thanks
paul

Loggahead

04-22-2008, 08:10 AM

I have some meager ps skillz. I can do a little on the vector side and do some editing as well.

NoName2

04-22-2008, 03:16 PM

couple of questions. if you have a file on your computer you want to post but it's not linked to an url (ex: http://) how do you attach it? do i attach a word document the same way?

scott & galen, i want to send you a business card file i created via PM or post but am not sure how to send it. my thoughts are we can create a flier with some of the same info on it and leave both at bike shops.

Loggahead

04-22-2008, 03:18 PM

I would say the easiest way would be to email them to us as attachments.

Endo

04-22-2008, 03:38 PM

you cant attach files to PM's but you could post it or email it. to attach, click the button at the bottom of your new thread which says "managae attachments" then just browse to the file, upload, then post the thread.

NoName2

04-22-2008, 04:16 PM

thanks. i went ahead and emailed the info to you instead of PM'ing it.

Endo

04-23-2008, 07:15 AM

got it...i'll try to work on it this week...Loggahead if do it sooner just CC me so I'll know not to duplicate - I'll do the same.

Loggahead

04-23-2008, 08:43 AM

Here is what I was envisioning for a cleaner logo for PORC. I like the idea of neat and clean vector image.

http://i8.photobucket.com/albums/a9/loggahead/PORCtest.png

It's a rough run and I simply put a gradient and bevel on it just for a test. Its a vector, so I can recreate it, resize, skew it, effect it, on the fly. Let me know what you think.

-logga

Loggahead

04-23-2008, 08:44 AM

Oh yeah, it's kind of rough around the edges because I kind of did it quickly. If you guys like the idea, I am going to take on of the higher rez logos and take some time and make a nice clean and smooth vector image out of it.

Pilotman28

04-23-2008, 09:37 AM

So those Raster/Vector programs don't work worth a crap eh? I've downloaded a few but never had the reason to fool with them all that much. If you need CS3 let me know dude.

Loggahead

04-23-2008, 10:02 AM

So those Raster/Vector programs don't work worth a crap eh? I've downloaded a few but never had the reason to fool with them all that much. If you need CS3 let me know dude.

I used CS2 to do that. I find its vector image engine sufficient for what I do by far. I never have used a third party vector program either.

What do you think of the look? Of course, the gradient and bevel were just done as a test, but that's the beauty of vectors, its all realtime editing without have to deal with static layers.

NoName2

04-23-2008, 12:43 PM

it looks good but think we should keep the same logo as before for the flyers. that way it will match the cards we plan on leaving with them.

Pilotman28

04-23-2008, 01:57 PM

Maybe we can use that vectorized one for a flash intro. Our homepage sucks boar balls.

Loggahead

04-23-2008, 02:14 PM

I was also thinking that a clean vector image like that would make a good watermark for the flyers with the text overlayed on top of it.

-logga

NoName2

04-23-2008, 03:14 PM

I was also thinking that a clean vector image like that would make a good watermark for the flyers with the text overlayed on top of it.

-logga

that sounds good.

carl

04-23-2008, 05:52 PM

the trail maps were being used as fliers at truly spokin'. they have a brief synopsis of the club and the trails.

CleverOgre

04-23-2008, 07:06 PM

Maybe we can use that vectorized one for a flash intro. Our homepage sucks boar balls.

I gotta chime in here... our homepage does *not* suck. A first time visitor can (at first glance) go right to trails, about porc, or the forum. The Porc Site is about information, not art. And to be honest, it doesn't look bad to me, all the imagery is relevant and doesn't hurt my eyes.

As far as a Flash intro, I think Jared Spool of User Interface Engineering said it best:

"When we have clients who are thinking about Flash
splash pages, we tell them to go to their local supermarket and
bring a mime with them. Have the mime stand in front of the
supermarket, and, as each customer tries to enter, do a little
show that lasts two minutes, welcoming them to the supermarket
and trying to explain the bread is on aisle six and milk is on
sale today.

"Then stand back and count how many people watch the mime, how
many people get past the mime as quickly as possible, and how
many people punch the mime out.

"That should give you a good idea as to how well their splash
page will be received. That's the crux of it."

Did I mention that Jared writes white papers for macromedia/adobe and his company is a leading research, training, and consulting firm specializing in web site and product usability?

natepac

04-23-2008, 07:53 PM

nice analogy

scratchndent

04-23-2008, 09:58 PM

Can someone email that porc symbol from loggahead, I might be able to make it out of stainless on the flowjet at work. Just a cool project for me at work. Marty

Loggahead

04-23-2008, 10:12 PM

I can email it to you. What is your preferred format? Just pm me your email addy. I will redo it tomorrow and take my time with it so it will look much smoother.

-logga

Admin

04-24-2008, 07:38 AM

I gotta chime in here... our homepage does *not* suck. A first time visitor can (at first glance) go right to trails, about porc, or the forum. The Porc Site is about information, not art. And to be honest, it doesn't look bad to me, all the imagery is relevant and doesn't hurt my eyes. As far as a Flash intro, I think Jared Spool of User Interface Engineering said it best: "Then stand back and count how many people watch the mime, how many people get past the mime as quickly as possible, and how
many people punch the mime out. "That should give you a good idea as to how well their splash page will be received. That's the crux of it." Did I mention that Jared writes white papers for macromedia/adobe and his company is a leading research, training, and consulting firm specializing in web site and product usability?Well put. We want the main site to be usable and compatible for ALL browsers w/out having links not function or require downloads (as is so common with these Corinthian flash sites). Animated websites are cool for the 1st 30 seconds or so - - then it just gets annoying.

NoName2

04-24-2008, 08:11 AM

Well put. We want the main site to be usable and compatible for ALL browsers w/out having links not function or require downloads (as is so common with these Corinthian flash sites). Animated websites are cool for the 1st 30 seconds or so - - then it just gets annoying.

i agree! good job with the site.

Loggahead

04-24-2008, 08:29 AM

Where can I get a higher res version of our logo? I need a larger one so I can remake the vector much smoother.

On websites... yeah, as everyone already put, flash is not best practices. There is many other ways to achieve a professional, effective, and aesthetic web presence without the use of third party apps like flash.

That said, I know where Pilotman was coming from. Our website is very practical, its functional, and it gets the job done that's for sure. Could it look better? Sure it could. The problem is that to make it look better means someone has to devote a lot of time making new graphics, re-programming, etc. All of us have real lives and jobs.

If it ever comes around that you guys want to work on overhauling the website (I recall Scott mentioning it at the meeting), you can count me in on helping. I enjoy doing a little graphic work here and there.

-logga

Loggahead

04-24-2008, 08:32 AM

nvm on the logo, i found one in the image albums

Loggahead

04-24-2008, 09:45 AM

Here is an updated vector. Much cleaner and smoother:

http://i8.photobucket.com/albums/a9/loggahead/porc.png

Pilotman28

04-24-2008, 10:16 AM

superdave

04-24-2008, 11:10 AM

The homepage blows man. It's ugly and it looks like it's from the Urban pedaler's group or whatever. Even a nice javascript would be cooler than what we have now. Only reason I said the flash intro is because normally that's what you use vectorized logos for and it just popped up. Wouldn't even need a flash background but even the JavaScript or CSS code would look better than the one we have right now.

I would seriously consider other people that have put a lot more time and effort into this club than you ever have, before you make a comment like that. Unless you are volunteering to redo the whole website, I would keep derogatory comments like that to yourself. Dude, I'm sure you are a nice enough guy, but relax on all the criticism because it rubs a lot of people around here the wrong way. Doesn't it piss you off when people do nothing but complain about the condition of our trails, but you never see them out doing trail maintenance?

NoName2

04-24-2008, 11:48 AM

well put dave! this time you typed faster and beat me to it. congrats on your victory :)

pilotman, i'm sure your comments were not meant to offend anyone but remember that people have worked hard on the site and saying that it blows when you haven't offered to help with it was out of bounds.

that said, let's move on from this and all be happy little campers again. anyone have a guitar and wanna sing koombiya??

Loggahead

04-24-2008, 11:57 AM

NoName2

04-24-2008, 12:08 PM

haha, wow... So back to topic... How does the vector above look? I cleaned it up a bit and made it considerably smoother.

Like I mentioned, this could look cool as a watermark for the flyers. Some clean vectors like this i also think could look bad@$$ on a tshirt with our PORC font...

it blows! :D

kidding, i think it looks good but personally don't know anything about vectors, javascript, etc... so my opinion doesn't count. it's a cool design though.

Pilotman28

04-24-2008, 12:09 PM

Fudge it then. I'll just ride the trails. I don't even go to the homepage anymore as it is. Pilotman, out.

Loggahead

04-24-2008, 12:30 PM

it blows! :D

kidding, i think it looks good but personally don't know anything about vectors, javascript, etc... so my opinion doesn't count. it's a cool design though.

You can think of this vector i made as a template or stencil. I basically stencilled it off of our current logo. The idea is that with a vector, you can stretch, distort, shrink, rotate, change colors, apply effects, etc to them on the fly in a program like Photoshop. As opposed to standard graphic jpg, is you stretch it, it will pixelate and you can't change colors on the fly either.

Clean, single layer, vectors like the one I posted work great for when you need a small graphic logo whereas using our color club logo can look cluttered if its shrunk too small (because of all the detail in the drawing and colors). In other words, it works good for an easily recognizable logo when your cramped for space - websites, busines cards, etc.

NoName2

04-24-2008, 12:35 PM

cool. now i know.

thanks for the info!

natepac

04-24-2008, 01:51 PM

Loggahead

04-24-2008, 02:35 PM

thanks for clarifying what a vector is. this thread is way over my head. maybe i should go to best buy and hang out with the geeksquad to learn the lingo.

you design "vector" looks cool by the way.

marty needs to put in on the flow jet and possibly make a small one to affix on the front of the down tube on a bike.

g33k squad!!! hahaha!!! Don't get your expectations too high on learning something from them...

Right on about making one for your bike! Dude, I wonder if you could make a bigger one out of a thinner piece of metal? TheThen bend it around your frame to fit any tubing size!? that would be hardcore!