Trail Maintenance Weekend- May 17th & 18th

[NoName2]

Saturday May 17th at 10:00 am
Sunday May 18th at 2:00 pm

It's that time again. The trails are starting to get over grown with eye poppers and we need a good trail maintenance to cut them back. In order to do the job right we need as many volunteers as possible and would like to see all members and non members alike join us. Don't start thinking of reasons you can't make it. If your ride out at the U, and you wouldn't be on this forum if you didn't, you should set this time aside and put in your hours for the cause. Without these days the trails would no longer be ridable. Please do not just leave it up to the rest of us as it would be unfair. Now that I have guilted you enough join us both/ either Saturday the 17th at 10:00 am or Sunday the 18th at 2:00 pm. Saturday we will be cutting back as much as possible and Sunday we will be cutting back what we couldn't get to on Saturday and also working on water-bars, gutted sections, removing loose sand, etc...

We need your support so please post back that you are going to be there and what day(s). If you truly cannot make it because of work or another reason go out there solo and work on a trail. Even if we just put two or three hours into each day the trails will be vastly improved. Below is the list of trails and who has volunteered for them. If your name is not yet on the list and want to help adopt a trail throughout the year let me know and we can add you to it. For the Saturday & Sunday maintenance talked about above will not be working on our individual adopted trails but will be working as a large group to knock them out as quickly as possible. Tools to bring include loppers & shovels. Be forewarned that if we see you riding that day and not helping you will be beat to a pulp by those working. Families are also encouraged to help with the maintenance (and beating). :D




Trails to adopt:
(Looking to help maintain a trail throughout the year? Sign up by posting me your name and trail you want to adopt)


Pate: -------------------------Paul M, Chris D & Noland K.
Tree hugger/ Greenbrier: ------Billy, Ronnie & Joe O.
Chute/ Gorge: ----------------Ed & Rob C.
Valley/ Wantz Way: ----------Mark & Dustin
Coke can/ 4 dogs: ------------Brett, Micah & Dale
Bone: ------------------------Scott R
Cambodia/ Carl's Trail: --------Dave, Ed B & Joe D.
Hangman Loop: ---------------Scott G, David D, Nate, Robbie P.
Blackwater: ------------------Carl

[Pilotman28]

You may put my real name on there, Micah. I'm planning on working on CokeCan this weekend instead of next since I have a Mensa meeting next saturday in Navarre. We have a PORC meeting at TJ this coming Tuesday right?

[natepac]

The games loop needs a good bit of work, Ed B can account for that. I plan on putting some time in on it this weekend for sure. Seth is in san diego until late august, so we remove him from the adopt a trail. Can i step down from the bone trail? I would rather help scott with the the games side as 3-4miles over there is a good bit of work just for Scott, AND i am not sure if robbie and david are helping over there.

[superdave]

I'll plan on being there both days, though I may make it out and be finished before 2 on Sunday.

[NoName2]

i'll make the changes but for the weekend in mention we may want to only concentrate on the "main loop". if we send people over to the Hangman Loop we will never get to the end of the other side. we're gonna have allot to cover in two days. i'll be happy to help on the Hangman trails on another weekend as a side project. i may be able to do it this saturday if ya'll are out there.

[NoName2]

Yes. It's this Tuesday the 13th, 6:30 at Tijuana Flats on 9 Mile Road.


You may put my real name on there, Micah. I'm planning on working on CokeCan this weekend instead of next since I have a Mensa meeting next saturday in Navarre. We have a PORC meeting at TJ this coming Tuesday right?

[natepac]

FINE!
Were we gonna change the location of the meeting? Couldnt hear anyting at the last meeting, way too loud.

[natepac]

need to use some $$ and purchase some sand bags prior to TM, as we be out.

[NoName2]

was it us that was way too loud or others around us? i'm afraid that any restaurant would probably be the same. i know montereys, casa ole, etc... are louder than that. any thoughts?

scott, how to we handle the funds for TM items like sand bags? does a member get approval, buy them, and then are reimbursed by the treasurer?


FINE!
Were we gonna change the location of the meeting? Couldnt hear anyting at the last meeting, way too loud.

[Endo]

i'll make the changes but for the weekend in mention we may want to only concentrate on the "main loop". if we send people over to the Hangman Loop we will never get to the end of the other side. we're gonna have allot to cover in two days. i'll be happy to help on the Hangman trails on another weekend as a side project. i may be able to do it this saturday if ya'll are out there.Sorry but I've gotta work the Games loop - I've got a personal quota to fill - - but I'll refrain from drawing any resources away from the main loop.

[Endo]

was it us that was way too loud or others around us? i'm afraid that any restaurant would probably be the same. i know montereys, casa ole, etc... are louder than that. any thoughts? scott, how to we handle the funds for TM items like sand bags? does a member get approval, buy them, and then are reimbursed by the treasurer?TFlats is an suitable place but some are not crazy about the cuisine - - but I typically only consume liquids while I am there and they are generally damn good IMO! Especially the ones with the oranges.

As for sandbags, if Nate can give us an estimate on the price beforehand I think we could do that and just paypal the $$ to him or apply it toward his next year's membership :D

[natepac]

you can get a hundo for 28.00 + tax with free shipping.
http://www.esandbags.com/ggg.html

[Pilotman28]

Ugh.. Yellow? Can't get the sand colored ones as to not stick out as much? If you get sandbags I think I could use a few on CokeCan this weekend. If you can't get them soon enough i'll just go buy what I need locally.

Paypal is no good really for money transfers. takes 3-4 days to get your money AND they take a percentage out. I'd personally, if I was going to buy something for the club, not use paypal and just get my money at the next meeting. Don't want to put money into paypal's pocket if I can help it.

[brettk]

i can probably be out both saturday and sunday (17th & 18th) for trail maintenance. although it will be earlier in the morning.

i, however, will not be at the meeting on tuesday since it is such a pain to try and get all the way out there after work.

the less i have to drive, the better. unless i'm driving somewhere to go ride bikes....

[natepac]

It says yellow but the picture looks more like white with a hint of urine discoloration.

[Endo]

Paypal is no good really for money transfers. takes 3-4 days to get your money AND they take a percentage out. I'd personally, if I was going to buy something for the club, not use paypal and just get my money at the next meeting. Don't want to put money into paypal's pocket if I can help it.Getting cash out the PORC coffers is a major undertaking and considering the time and cost of fuel paypal is a good method for smaller amounts (<$100)....besides, we would just pad the amount sent to make up for the small paypal fee so the purchaser would not be out any $$.

[losdog]

I can make it the 17th but I will be on the road for work on the 18th. Assign me to a trail and I'll figure out how to get there by foot.

[egordon]

Can we bring gas powered trimmers on the trails?

[natepac]

Can we bring gas powered trimmers on the trails?

bring what ever u want

[pops]

Ok, I'll bite. Where's the Games Trail?

[ScottR]

Thats funny, I just asked Nate that same question tonight. The hangman loop........Hangman, checkerzzzz, crossword, twister, frogger... All games get it

[pops]

Damn, sometimes I'm just sloow!

[Loggahead]

I'll be there 10:00am Saturday! I guess we just meet at Pate entrance? I also assume I should bring some basic tools of my own like loppers, sheers, hatchet? I have them so, I can bring them.

Brown bag a lunch or are we all gonna get something somewhere?

-logga

[NoName2]

We recruited a little help for the TM weekend. This should help get some more folks out to help.

[Pilotman28]

butterface.

[superdave]

butterface.

She has a face?

[losdog]

exactly. you need over the horizon capability to see it.

[egordon]

The only bad thing about that pic is its from the 70's, and I bet her trail needs more maintainance than ours....

[Endo]

:ha::ha::ha:

[NoName2]

gentleman, i need to apologize in advance but i will not be able to make it to the TM this weekend. i know i started the post but my wife's grandmother passed away this morning and i am making plans to fly out to Ohio tomorrow or early saturday. her grandmother was more of a mom to her so she is really taking it pretty rough. i'll get with dave or nate and pass along the swag that mark/ truly spoken donated for the people who come out. again, sorry i won't be there and i'll try and make up for it when i get back.

[Loggahead]

bummer man.

Hey, family is always first bro, take care of everything and have a safe trip.

PS- Where do we meet on Sat and what should I bring?

[superdave]

bummer man.

Hey, family is always first bro, take care of everything and have a safe trip.

PS- Where do we meet on Sat and what should I bring?

My condolences to your family Paul.

I figured we would meet at the Pate Rd. trailhead at 10 on Sat. We'll probably do a real quick tutorial on how the trails need to be cut and figure out who is working on what then disperse from there. I'm planning on taking my truck up the powerlines and parking at the beginning of Cambodia to tackle that, so I can take a truckload of peeps up with me to work on either Bone, Gorge, backside of Treehugger, or Cambodia. If I need to, I can even take a group over to work on the Bayou trail area since it's pretty bad too if no one else has a truck. As you can see, I'm planning on having a ton of people show up for this TM day.:D Oh yeah, and bring anything and everything you may have laying around that can cut limbs, branches, etc. I think we just want to focus on trimming back the trails on Sat. We'll see how much we get done Sat before we decide what we're going to focus on Sunday. I'll have a cordless hedge trimmer w/ 2 batteries, a pair of trimming sheers, 2 machetes, and a pair of leverage trimming sheers for the larger diameter stuff. I may also bring a flat shovel to scoop some of the loose sand in that corner at the beginning of Cambodia. I'll also have 2 medium sized coolers for folks to store their drinks and lunch.

[Loggahead]

Right on, I'll be there.

I'll bring a pair of loppers, sheers, and a hatchet.

-logga

[carl]

here's my plan:
friday i'm doing a lap after work and then i'll trim back carlito's trail.
saturday i'm doing the ms ride in milton.
sunday i'm going to blackwater. cdub, if you can't make it sunday, no worries. we can hook up next weekend.

[Pilotman28]

Anyone around town rent gas-powered hedge trimmers?

[ScottR]

Since I have to work all weekend and cant make the BIG TM days, I worked on the powerlines between greenbriar/chute and Bone/Cambodia. Its nice and wide now. I spent about 2.5 hours(I didnt relize how bad bone/Cambodia was). The only thing I forgot was the rake but it still looks pretty good.
ScottR

[carl]

Anyone around town rent gas-powered hedge trimmers?

i tried it once and it wasn't worth the effort. it's best to cut with loppers and hand clippers.

[Pilotman28]

I'm borrowing a battery hedge trimmer as well but I think you're right carl. It's less messy if you're more methodical cause you can make one cut and take out multiple smaller limbs.

[ScottR]

Anyone know of a local place to purchase them?

[carl]

homo depot used to carry them.

[natepac]

homo depot used to carry them.

they still do.

[egordon]

Sears has them..

[superdave]

Well, Cambodia is a 4 lane highway until just past the fallen tree. It should be super fast. We might be able to finish it up tomorrow. By my count, we had 9 people show up for the trail maintenance. I hope we have atleast that many show up tomorrow or else the trimming won't get finished. It sure would be nice if we had as many people show up for tomorrow's TM that show up for the 2:00 Sunday rides. How far did everyone else get? Big thanks to Galen and Eric for helping me out today and to everyone else who showed up. I'm going to go take a nap now.

[brettk]

i started trimming coke can but didn't finish. hopefully tomorrow i will be able to put some more time in and wrap it up.

[carl]

david d. and i got cambodia down into the bottom area. we maybe got several hundred feet into the thick stuff but we still had a long way to go. 4 hours for me.

[natepac]

on treehugger. got about 2/3 way done. will finish tomorrow.
Oh plus two more hours in my own back yard.

Carlos was also helping me.

anyone have a rescue shovel (http://us.st11.yimg.com/us.st.yimg.com/I/yhst-15249496817823_2002_1993881)i can borrow? Or know where to get one?

[egordon]

Army Navy Surplus Store would have them, and maybe even Academy in the camping section..

[ScottR]

I wanted to get to bone when I did the powerlines last Thursday but I ran out of time, plus I had my six year old with me he lost interest after about 10 minutes. I'll try to get to Bone This Thursday or Friday AM, its getting pretty nasty. I didnt wake up until about 4 this afternoon (midnights suck) and I did a loop about 530you guys all did a great job, much improvement.

[panhead4383]

I got there kind of late and took my friend Daniel and our machetes through Pate and Tree hugger. We ended up clearing Treehugger to the the powerlines. The machetes didn't do the best on stuff high in the air, so there may need to be some lopping done. Altogether, we got six hours

[Pilotman28]

Tomorrow is CokeCan maintenance for myself. I'll pick up where my partner left off at. Today was making money for me since it was an off day.

[superdave]

I wanted to get to bone when I did the powerlines last Thursday but I ran out of time, plus I had my six year old with me he lost interest after about 10 minutes. I'll try to get to Bone This Thursday or Friday AM, its getting pretty nasty. I didnt wake up until about 4 this afternoon (midnights suck) and I did a loop about 530you guys all did a great job, much improvement.

I know James and Jeff tackled Bone, but I haven't talked to him to see how far he got. I do know that he parked at the entrance of the trail near Cambodia, so you may want to start on the Gorge side if you go out there.

[superdave]

Tomorrow is CokeCan maintenance for myself. I'll pick up where my partner left off at. Today was making money for me since it was an off day.

I don't think the overgrowth on Coke Can is that bad. You may be better off focusing your efforts on Concrete Drop and Bayou Trail. I know they are REALLY bad.

[Endo]

yea i was out there this morning & crist falls/bayou is by far the worst sections out there with overgrowth. SHould be out later today for TM - will focus on the bad parts of Games and will try to finish PiggyBack.

[scratchndent]

I went up treehugger getting the stuff overhead, about a .5hr. and then over to the bone starting from the powerlines and heading into the trail. Pop and his lovely bride and I went down quite a ways and I spoke to pops this morn and he was out there nailing the rest. I guess I can sign up for about a total of 1.5 hrs between the 2 trails. Rode it last night and looks really great.
Thanks for all the great work everyone and condolences to Paul and your family, Marty

[carl]

i'm beat. a total of 10 hours of tm for me this weekend. hell, i don't even ride that much per week.

[Endo]

my kids and i put in 3.5 hours on horseshuz, frogger, and piggyback....didn't get done w/piggyback...just too damn thick - friggin ridiculous. toward the end of it all i degressed to a primal one-on-one with the brush....armed w/my chainsaw i slaughtered all plant-life between me and the next marker until the chain came off my saw & that ended that....defeated:fight:.....not too much left though...a couple of guys could finish it all in about 3 hrs.

[wshaw]

Dan and I spent 2 1/2 hours on the chute and gorge today. The trails are in great shape thanks to everyone's help this weekend. Can't wait to ride them tomorrow.

[superdave]

i'm beat. a total of 10 hours of tm for me this weekend. hell, i don't even ride that much per week.

Awesome Carl. That's a commendable effort. I think I was good for about 8 hrs for the weekend. Nate and I finished Cambodia north of the jeep trail then Melanie and I hit it south of the jeep trail and almost got to the end of the thick stuff. I'm going to charge the batteries in the hedge trimmer and go clean the last little bit out sometime this week. Thanks to everyone who put time in on the trails this weekend. Now periodic maintenance should be a lot easier. I think we need one more day with 6 or so people to finish the Crist Fall/Bayou trail area and the Games loop. Tuesday evening's ride is going to a lot faster and a got less painful.

[Pilotman28]

1hr on CokeCan. It's extra clean now. I'm gonna need someone with a shovel to help me fix the drop and put in a waterbar on the drop. I'd like to put the waterbar near the drop so people could either pump over it or launch off it if they wish. I'll try to get with brett for that soon.

[Loggahead]

Well, I couldn't make it out Sunday as well, had family responsibilities. I got 3 hours in with Dave and Eric on Cambodia. Can't wait to give the trails a good ride and check the fruits of our labor!

[Pilotman28]

Did anyone work on Pate besides the one guy and his wife, which i didn't catch his name, on Sunday? Seemed rather odd it was a TM weekend and I was getting hit with brush.

[superdave]

Did anyone work on Pate besides the one guy and his wife, which i didn't catch his name, on Sunday? Seemed rather odd it was a TM weekend and I was getting hit with brush.

Maybe you should have put your 1 hr in on Pate instead of Coke Can. By my account, there was much more growth there. Also, I think with what manpower we had, we made a lot of progess on the worst of it. You are unbelievable Micah!! :mad:

[egordon]

Props to everyones efforts this weekend... I tell you what its alot more fun doing that kinda work on the trails than In my own yard.. Thanks Dave and Galen for a fun Saturday afternoon working the the New Cambodia Expressway.. I just want to tell everyone its great to be a part of something that everyone takes so much pride in..

[Pilotman28]

I did notice the clearing of the brush on Cambodia. It is a much nicer trail now and I can see more around the turns.

Dave, I noticed you said something about taking a shovel to some of the loose sand prior to but I didn't see any difference. If I take a shovel out to CokeCan to work on that area would it be ok if I shoveled some of the loose sand out of the way or did you want to keep it there?

[egordon]

Funny I didnt get hit by any brush this weekend.... oh yeah I wasnt riding...DOH!

[NoName2]

i'm back in town. how did sunday turn out? did you have a decent amount of people come out and contribute?

i'm gonna ride tomorrow after work and will be down for some tm during the week. if anyone is gonna be out there and has a trail they need help with post back or i will just hit pate. looking forward to riding again after these days off. the ohio/ west virginia border where i went looked perfect for riding but because of the circumstances couldn't get any in. :mad:

[superdave]

We had 8 folks show up for Sunday at 2:00, but there were a few people that were out there before. I went out again last night to try to finish up Cambodia and I got all but about 75-100 yrds right in the middle in the twisty section. The last little bit shouldn't take but maybe 1 hr or 2 if I'm by myself(that brush is really thick)
Saturday, we had:
Carl
David
Carlos
Eric
Galen
Nate
James
Jeff
Me

Sunday, we had:
Scott & his 2 kids
Dan & friend (sorry, don't remember your name)
Nate
Melanie
Me
I know James and Micah put some work in earlier in the day.

[natepac]

you should have called and i would have helped ya finish it up.

[NoName2]

Thanks to all on the list who were able to help out on Saturday and/ or Sunday. It looks like you had some good participation but a number of our regulars did not make it. For those who did not show or make up for it before hand post or pm me so we can get out there and do our part. Don't be that guy that never works on the trails but finds time to ride all the time. We're gonna give everybody a week then start posting names of the slackers. :fight:

[superdave]

Thanks to all on the list who were able to help out on Saturday and/ or Sunday. It looks like you had some good participation but a number of our regulars did not make it. For those who did not show or make up for it before hand post or pm me so we can get out there and do our part. Don't be that guy that never works on the trails but finds time to ride all the time. We're gonna give everybody a week then start posting names of the slackers. :fight:

Just to recap, Concrete Drop-Crist Falls-Bayou Trail area needs ALOT of work
Pate trail could use a thorough trim apparently
Still need to finish Horseshuz and the section in the middle of Cambodia

I'll edit this if I see anything else that needs work, after I have a chance to ride it this evening.

[Pilotman28]

Pate road was being covered by a guy who drives a Corolla and his wife I think. Don't know how much they finished but it was being worked on.

Do we want to rake the trails or did we say raking can increase erosion?

[brettk]

i was out on saturday, pops can confirm. doesn't mean i'm not a slacker though.

[carl]

david and i didn't get all the way through the thick stuff on cambodia bacause david was doing some topiary. i was goofing on him until i realized it was a reproduction of the famous marla streb/yeti poster (http://mtbike.mountainzone.com/blogs/marla_streb/photos/nude%20poster.jpg)from back in the day. y'all keep your eyes open for it.:eek:

[Pilotman28]

Mmmm side boob.

[Idoeyes]

"Topiary is the art of creating sculptures using clipped trees, shrubs and sub-shrubs. The word derives from the Latin word for an ornamental landscape gardener, topiarius, creator of topia or "places", a Greek word that Romans applied also to fictive indoor landscapes executed in fresco. No doubt the use of a Greek word betokens the art's origins in the Hellenistic world that was influenced by Persia, for neither Classical Greece nor Republican Rome developed any sophisticated tradition of artful pleasure grounds. "

:pig::D

[egordon]

Isn't that the girl from the cover of the trail maintainance guide???

[Pilotman28]

No I think that woman's cans were much bigger than Marla's by at least a cup if not a cup and a half.

[panhead4383]

My friend Daniel and I put a little time Saturday in at Pate on our way to Treehugger--we kind of wacked it back with our machetes. There shouldn't be much hanging out to hit you, but as a whole the corridor is kind of narrow.

[pops]

How far down did you get Brett? I finished the Bone on Sunday morning. Then I went riding. Sure was nice where we had chopped and hewn. I'm still not sure that cutting back isn't counter-productive. Seems like the Yopan and briers now get more sun and grow even faster.

[Pilotman28]

I agree with the Yopan and I do my best to completely cut those out whenever I come to them at the base. The root will still be there but the bush itself will be GONE!

[brettk]

i got to about where the camel humps are/were. then i walked back to the car as i had some "family" type stuff scheduled for the afternoon. i think micah wrapped the rest of the trail up on sunday so the only thing that needs addressing is the water erosion on the transition we cut. i'm not sure if we'll be able to get to it this memorial day weekend as i've heard micah will have his hands full on the beach.

[pops]

I thot last weekend was the rainbow meeting at P'cola beach.

[natepac]

i have to say for the most part thing look pretty good out there.....for now. I think dave has the right idea with the electric hedge trimmers. they seem to work great in those areas where there is a massive clumping of small yaupon (see cambodia trail).

[Loggahead]

On that note Nate, I had a couple of ideas for future maintenance:

1. I think we should use some club money to buy a few of the hedge trimmers Dave had and some extra batteries.

2. We could get a good system going if we had 3-4 man crews moving through a trail - Hedger 1st getting the bushy mess, Lopper 2nd getting the larger cuts, Cleaner 3rd pulling and clearing up the trimmings.

3. Put a sign up at the trail head (attached to our map sign) hopefully 2 weeks in advance to hopefully get more help from peeps who don't frequent our site and to just let people know we will be out there working on a particular weekend so they are more cautious. (This was Eric's idea)

I was thinking we could use the old Uncle Sam "We want you" pic and put the dates on it and use that as a sign, or the WWII era graphic of the chick mechanic flexing her bicep.

[natepac]

el presidente and myself cleaned up the double track between coke can and 4 dogs yesterday, we also dabbled a bit on piggyback. total of 2hrs of TM.

[NoName2]

all good ideas we will implement at the next TM event.

dave, what kind of trimmer did you bring out and how much was it? did it do a good job and should we go with electric or gas powered?




On that note Nate, I had a couple of ideas for future maintenance:

1. I think we should use some club money to buy a few of the hedge trimmers Dave had and some extra batteries.

2. We could get a good system going if we had 3-4 man crews moving through a trail - Hedger 1st getting the bushy mess, Lopper 2nd getting the larger cuts, Cleaner 3rd pulling and clearing up the trimmings.

3. Put a sign up at the trail head (attached to our map sign) hopefully 2 weeks in advance to hopefully get more help from peeps who don't frequent our site and to just let people know we will be out there working on a particular weekend so they are more cautious. (This was Eric's idea)

I was thinking we could use the old Uncle Sam "We want you" pic and put the dates on it and use that as a sign, or the WWII era graphic of the chick mechanic flexing her bicep.

[Pilotman28]

I honestly don't think it's worth the money to sink PORC funds into. I bet there's somewhere in town we could rent a gas powered one once a month and it wouldn't cost as much as buying one would PLUS we wouldn't have to fix it when it malfunctions. You have to think about TCO not just initial purchase.

[egordon]

PORC WANTS YOU!http://www.porc.org/forum/imagehosting/96483c74791ceb2.jpg (http://www.porc.org/forum/vbimghost.php?do=displayimg&imgid=25) UNCLE WILBER LOL

[superdave]

all good ideas we will implement at the next TM event.

dave, what kind of trimmer did you bring out and how much was it? did it do a good job and should we go with electric or gas powered?

Black and Decker Hedgehog 22" 18V rechargable. They are about $85 anywhere you look and Lowe's has a 2 pack of extra batteries for $40 right now. One battery works about 20 minutes on a full charge. You can get a decent gas powered hedge trimmer for $150 (B&D, Craftsman, Weedeater). I know the UWF mtn bike club had one and everyone that I talked to complained about the weight, but I picked one up a Lowe's (of course w/o gas) right next to the same one I have and they are pretty comparable in weight. The rechargeable one works okay on the lighter stuff, maybe up to 1/4" or 5/8" thick but gets hung up on anything thicker than that. It was pretty helpful to use it for an initial trim, then go over the same area with the clippers to get the larger stuff, then use it again for a final clearing. I think a gas powered would work better, but will be more difficult to upkeep.

[egordon]

http://www.porc.org/forum/imagehosting/96483c7bb393de7.bmp (http://www.porc.org/forum/vbimghost.php?do=displayimg&imgid=26)

[NoName2]

looking good!

[scratchndent]

I think that is the shisnet. Even though my name did not appear on the tm list because I was late and went up the power lines and met james and jeff for some treehugger and bone maint. I guess I am a slacker! Oh well Love the artwork eric. Marty